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Post by zed on Mar 30, 2012 8:47:24 GMT
Thanks, Lyn I did have a natural brown merino one I meant to use after gardening, but I don't know where it went
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Post by lyn on Mar 30, 2012 8:54:52 GMT
Ruth said that the felt acts like a scrubber on your hands, so a natural brown would be very suitable as a gardening soap!
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Post by MTRuth on Mar 30, 2012 14:53:18 GMT
That's an idea I hadn't considered Zed. I might have to try it.
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Post by zed on Mar 31, 2012 8:27:16 GMT
I'll look forward to that. Take lots of pics for a tutorial
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Post by karen on Apr 2, 2012 0:50:50 GMT
Looks great zed, they are great scrubbers, i usually have one for Darren to use and he likes it, especially after some shed time lol
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Post by zed on Apr 2, 2012 7:59:18 GMT
I could have done with one yesterday, I was digging for almost 4 hours (sunburned !) and had holes in my gloves, so the dirt caked on my fingers
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Post by pamd on Apr 4, 2012 13:00:07 GMT
Not to sideline this "dirty" discussion, but I joined a website a few days ago, hoping to find out more about an interest I have and found lots of info there, but then I saw a discussion on Pinterest and was really amazed at the dislike trending in that thread. I fully realize that everyone doesn't use Pinterest for the exact same reasons, but I actually don't think most people are there trying to make money off of other people's work. I, and many others that I know, pin things that are of interest to me for one reason or another. For instance, I may pin a painting or a dress or a plant or a bird because of the color combinations reflected. I may pin a piece of fabric or can of paint or living room sofa because there is something in the design that appeals to me. Yesterday I repined a beautiful felt coat because of the colors used - the coat was absolutely gorgeous. If I make something using that coat as inspiration for color and use the can of paint because I like a design element, how does that hurt anyone?
I did notice, since it was brought to my attention, that if a pinned picture is from flickr or similar website, it doesn't reflect the name of the artist, but only has a link back to that picture on that site. I would say that from now on I will be especially careful to be sure the artist's name is reflected, but I actually think that some of what I thought was good about this site has been tarnished by the conversation on that other site and I doubt I will do much more with it.
I just still can't see the harm that's being done. I know I have a great big file of inspiration pics I have found over the years on the internet. That file is my private file and no one can see it. With Pinterest, I really feel that the artist/manufacturer is getting additional attention to their work. Of course there will always be people that will say, oh, I can make that myself. That's always been the way, but I think most people just admire the art/product. Oh, well, just had to get this out.
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Post by MTRuth on Apr 5, 2012 2:41:13 GMT
Most of the discussions I have seen online have been negative. That is why I haven't ever been to pinterest.
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Post by zed on Apr 5, 2012 9:27:19 GMT
I pretty much agree with you, Pam. Of course, I only know what it's like for my stuff being pinned. Here's my latest: pinterest.com/pin/202732420696010567/It links back to me, and Alison Tauber is a flickr contact. Others I haven't known, and they haven't specifically put a description underneath but the photo links to flickr. I've noticed more and more lately, there's a 'Pin it' button next to things on the internet (where'd you get the Digg this, Stumble etc buttons) maybe those give more details?
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Post by Shepherdess on Apr 7, 2012 23:43:24 GMT
I am conflicted about it. I think if you put it on the net anywhere you can have the picture copied to a file somewhere else or have the piece copied. if you don't want it out there then don't put it on the net anywhere. there is no half way out of the closet. On the other hand by pining something you are violating copyright by publishing it on pinterest. It also concentrates a searchable database for people that do want to copy others.
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Post by zed on Apr 8, 2012 8:11:47 GMT
Didn't one of you, Ruth or Ann post a link to copyright before we started the site? It's such a dodgy area, I seem to remember from that or maybe it was a similar one recently that even posting a link to something other than a main page is technically a copyright, because of some violation or other. There seems to be an unwritten rule amongst bloggers that linking to anything is ok as long as proper credit is given. And a lot say ask for permission if you'd like to use photos, which might be a polite way of saying 'don't steal my photos!' or could be 'ooh, thanks, yeah promote me but give me credit' I think the main problem with pinterest is obvious credit for the photo/work getting lost by repins, but so far I haven't seen one that doesn't show the original URL when it's hovered over. I think people use flickr groups in the same way for a concentrated database for copying too. Or just for inspiration
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Post by lyn on Apr 8, 2012 8:54:27 GMT
Hello Pam, I think that because Pinterest is a social network (as is Facebook) then it has the potential to be open to abuse. And because a lot of people don't now trust Facebook, other social sites may be considered to be tarred with the same brush perhaps?
Pinterest is fascinating and there are so many wonderful things on there to see. The disadvantage is that before you know it you've been glued to the monitor for a few too many hours.
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Post by pamd on Apr 8, 2012 15:03:10 GMT
I have to say first and foremost that I am totally against copyright infringement. My belief is if a person creates something and publishes a picture on the web that artist has copyright to that picture. My question stems from whether posting the picture with credit and a link to the picture is copyright infringement.
I keep thinking of these examples: A student sees a poster advertising the circus coming to town. This student takes a photo of the poster and puts it on the bulletinboard at school. Is this copyright infringement? A person drops thousands of pamphlets out of an airplane and they are picked up by thousands of people on the ground. If a person shares that pamphlet with friends, is that copyright infringement?
To me, when a person places a picture on the web, it is necessarily able to be seen by hundreds, thousands, millions of people. Unless the picture is on a private forum one cannot keep anyone from seeing that picture. That picture is open to abuse by any visitor to that website.
In the glass beadmaking community (I'm sure you all are sick of hearing about them) pictures of single beads were copied from websites, etsy, or ebay by companies. These companies posted those stolen images (some of them still watermarked) on their website and offered them for sale. If beads were ordered from the images, the company would then have their "factory" make them. To me, that is copyright infringement. To me, posting a link to a picture on the internet is not copyright infringement.
Yes, pinterest has taken it a step farther and allowed the actual pictures to be posted which includes a link back to the original picture. There are artists and companies who have gone out of their way to allow their pictures to be posted as it drives people to their websites. Will some of those people say to themselves, oh, look, I can make something like that. Sure. Just as walking through an art fair someone will say, oh, I can make that myself. (The number that can actually do it is perhaps very small) Since Pinterest has given instructions for how to prevent pinning, I think it is the responsibility of the copyright holder to protect their interests, if they so desire.
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Post by zed on Apr 9, 2012 9:44:35 GMT
Legally, taking an original photo and reusing it without the specific consent of the owner is copyright infringement, whether that is on a blog or pinterest or printed material etc. I don't know if there are new rules/laws to deal with things like pinterest/digg/stumble/twitter/facebook etc, which have buttons so that you can re-post easily. Sorry if I repeat myself, I can't remember what I've previously posted or just thought I like the idea of these buttons because it shows the owner has opted in to having their 'stuff' reposted. When I send emails, sometimes the links get converted to pictures, like with flickr, this could be a grey area, though it is private. I basically agree with you Pam, that if someone is using it for profit/gain/claiming the work as their own, it is copyright infringement. If someone is Pinning/repinning it, legally/technically, it is theft/copyright infringement, but knowing the nature of the site, it really is no different to emailing a page of links to someone and saying 'ooh, look at all these' except 20 minutes clicking around sites is saved. I wish I could find the link to the blog where someone links to my vessel tutorial, I do get views because of it, but the blogger says they don't have time to explain the process, if you want to know 'look here' and one link goes to me, but they don't say it isn't theirs or even mentione me by name. That, is quite rude, I think.
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Post by Shepherdess on Apr 9, 2012 11:05:26 GMT
Your last line I think sums it up best. It is rude not to ask. I admit to sharing on facebook without thinking. I wonder if someone assumes if there is a link to your site then people will know its you. it is a gray area I suppose that's why it's a problem, no clear rules.
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