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Post by Shepherdess on Dec 15, 2012 13:04:59 GMT
It was a very sad day. It is terrible that someone is either that evil or that sick that they take the lives of innocent people and children. It is also sad that it is not as easy to get mental health care as it is a gun.
American have the right to bear( probably the wrong bear) arms. this was not only to defend their property against intruders but their own government. This was to prevent them getting to powerful and becoming a dictatorship. the strange thing is that the states with the looses gun laws, one requires you to own one( and carry it I think) have the least amount of gun crime. At least this is what I learned in several documentaries.
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Post by lyn on Dec 15, 2012 17:43:20 GMT
Ann - this has dominated the news in the UK and everyone is so sad about it.
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Post by MTRuth on Dec 15, 2012 17:52:56 GMT
It is sickening.
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Post by Karen on Dec 15, 2012 22:03:15 GMT
So very sad, Here in Au we had a ban on guns quite a few years ago, thousands apon thousands were handed in for crushing, i think it was basically after the Martin Bryant massacre in Tasmania, now if your not a registered gun owner there's huge fines and possible jail time. I cant understand why some people need to hurt others like that  ?? |
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Post by koffipot on Dec 15, 2012 23:51:01 GMT
A dreadful business! We have a gun registry here in UK, but nothing is foolproof, we had Hungerford in the '80s, Dunblane in the '90s and Cumbria in 2010. If someone wants a firearm, I suppose there will always be someone willing to sell one. I woudn't like to have one in my home.
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Post by Shepherdess on Dec 16, 2012 2:51:49 GMT
You need a permit for hand guns and many others here. No registry of long guns. ther are storage laws, locked cabinets. Unfortunatly criminals and crazy people don't much care about laws.
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Post by koffipot on Dec 16, 2012 10:01:51 GMT
Laws are made for good citizens, the others don't take any notice.
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Post by zed on Dec 16, 2012 11:03:27 GMT
After Dunblane, which was also at a school, the gun laws here were changed, it was just a case of 'No, no more, you don't need them, hand them in' and almost every handgun was banned from being kept at home, one that wasn't banned was a year later. If there are guns I don't think you can keep them out of the hands of nutters, that kid was taught to shoot by his mum who had a collection of guns.
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Post by jufergu on Dec 16, 2012 12:28:10 GMT
I believe that there are some people who are just evil. There are a million things that are blamed, but I don't believe any of them can make me a murderer, unless I am an evil person. They are just tools the evil can use. My husband worked in the middle of the night for many, many years. He has a conceal and carry permit and is a responsible person. He would never murder anyone. But he would defend himself and others if needed.
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Post by zed on Dec 17, 2012 9:59:25 GMT
I don't think I've ever heard of anyone who has carried out crimes often considered as 'evil' , having a normal childhood.
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Post by Shepherdess on Dec 17, 2012 14:03:07 GMT
It is an old debate Zed. Are all those who commit this sort of crime mentally ill or are they just bad(evil) people. From the news there seems to be some evidence this person was mentally ill. I have been trying not to watch or listen to any of the coverage. it seems to go on and on, usually followed by discussions on coverage, is there to much, should they have talked to the children, the families, the friends, are they doing a go job, enough, not enough. they seem to be able to talk about it endlessly. I had to listen to 15 min of it before they got to the info I needed today: all the school buses were canceled because of freezing rain.
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Post by zed on Dec 19, 2012 9:51:31 GMT
It's just kind of sad that people feel sorry for abused/badly treated kids or those with mental health problems, while they are still kids, yet the minute they're 14, 15 onwards, it's like they should instantly know better. There's a huge chance some of these kids who were there that day will go on to have behaviour/mental health problems because of this.
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Post by sulasmom on Dec 19, 2012 15:05:42 GMT
I think the real issue is not with guns but rather mental illness. We need to seriously rethink how we handle mental illness in children. (and adults) It is impossible to deal with legally and emotionally. Good parents get very little support from the medical and legal systems and the emotional whiplash that families go through as they live with and love their ill children/siblings is heartbreaking.
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Post by jufergu on Dec 20, 2012 22:10:31 GMT
My brother was mentally ill. I can tell you first hand of the horrors our family faced every day. I also know that mental illness does not make a person a mass murderer. That is a whole different road. My brother died at 44 in terrible torment and in the care of doctors and psychiatrists who gave him medications that did not really help. I live in fear that this illness will show up again in one of my grandchildren or great grandchildren. Of course I am talking about Schizophrenia. It is genetically passed on.
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Post by Shepherdess on Dec 21, 2012 20:59:51 GMT
Judy that is so sad for both him and your fammily. There seems to be some efort being made to educate people about mental ilness but the media like to lable people (usualy wrongly) with no informatin. It is a steep up hill battle.
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